Public (Open Membership) Click to Join Prompt

The one thing to keep in mind is membership does not necessarily define ability.  The New button will be visible based on a user's permission set.  In other words, that generally means a user has the ability to create content in at least one place in a group.

While generally membership comes what certain permissions, the visibility can not be controlled by membership, as owners can go into a group or application and revoke create permissions for members, or can grant create permissions to every user, not just members(New button would be visible again).

Patrick M. said:

the visibility can not be controlled by membership

Patrick M. said:

not just members(New button would be visible again).

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but it appears you're contradicting yourself or stating what we've already pointed out, unfortunately stating the functionality of the site doesn't negate it being a bad user experience with how people want to use the platform.

The problem that's being laid out here is that when participation and creating content is controlled by being a member of a group, it is difficult to make that restriction obvious to users because the buttons for participation are hidden due to permissions.

This should be clear in the screenshots I provided.

It doesn't make sense to purposefully restrict participation using the permissions to only members, only to then decide to change that to every user.

Another user in this thread has also expressed that they want to encourage members to join groups so that they can better assess interest in those groups.

Further, notifications and subscriptions to groups for users are somewhat tied to being a member of the group?

So for a better user journey, and to let them be able to see what's possible to do in a group, especially when the website is public facing, we need a better user journey that allows them to see that they have options to participate in that group, and when engaging with those participation options, they are then prompted to join that group.

At present, the permissions granted are hidden behind the obscure grey 'join' banner and perhaps the 'join' button on the Actions bar, and it would appear that it's not only one community the user experience gets confused with this.